HP 54600 Series (First Gen) Module Compatibility Reasoning

The modules are categorized into these characteristics:

  • Plain (oldest, compatible with all): 54650A (GPIB), 54651A (Serial), 54652A (Parallel Printer)
  • Test Automation (TAM) License/Memory: 54655A (GPIB), 54656A (Serial + 5 output lines)
  • FFT/Time & Math License/Memory: 54657A (GPIB), 54659B (Serial+Parallel)
  • Serial + Parallel: 54652B (no FFT), 54659B (with FFT)

The matching oscilloscopes/logic analyzers are sorted into 3 main sub-generations:

  • Too Old (Cannot understand Serial+Parallel): 5460XA, 54610A
  • Everything in between: 5460XB, 54610B, 54620X
  • Too New (Cannot understand TAM): 54615/6B (I suspect C too), 54645A/D

Logic Analyzers (54620A/C) is considered “Everything in between” and it gleefully disregards the Test Automation/FFT features as they are only relevant to analog signals.

Only FFT modules have a RTC to keep time. TAM modules are too primative to have this.

The “Too Old” scopes have newer firmware available that handles FFT (which you need to upgrade by a chip swap if the firmware is too old), but they still don’t understand multiplexing serial & parallel lines they are stuck with 54657A.

54657A covers the broadest range of oscilloscopes (everything)

If you want the FFT and serial port together. There’s only one choice which is 54659B and you have to avold the “Too Old” oscilloscopes

It’s hard to keep track of this compatibility matrix below. That’s why this blog post explained the reasoning by categories above. It really boils down to what features that are too new (multiplexing serial+parallel port) for an old firmware and what features (TAM) the newest firmware dropped support for.

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HP 54003-61617 Probe = HP 10017A

I have a 54003-61617 probe lying around and I never got a chance to find out what bandwidth so I rarely used it. After some digging, thanks to searchable PDFs, I found on 1986-04 edition of HP Journal (Archived copy here) that 54003-61617 probe is equivalent to 10017A:

By the way I noticed HP Labs still had the old HP Journal PDF files hosted on the website except without indexing: https://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/pdfs/IssuePDFs/YYYY-MM.pdf, replace YYYY with year and MM with month.

HP Journal (hparchive.com has an excellent collection) is an excellent source of hard-core electronic engineering education materials, better than anything you can get in colleges because electronic circuit design (not IC designs) is not an academic research area anymore. As of 2000, the only way to get into this area is to work at companies (apprenticeships) instead of formal training like classes. There’s a little problem though because this specialty (analog electronics) is so disorganized, very often even veterans in analog electronics has blind spots like not taking advantage of math tools/thinking enough (they tend to be very good at back-of-envelope calculations).

Finding the specs for 10400A series (10017A) is not easy either because the datasheet is not on Keysight (the new name for HP’s instrument division). It’s listed in an 1998 catalog “How to Select A Probe” kindly hosted by Marc Mislanghe (who passed away in 2014) as HPMemoryProject.org that listed the specs of 10017A in attempt to find an approximate ‘modern’ substitute:

HP 10017A (54003-61617) mini-probe has the following specs:

  • Attenuation: 10:1
  • Input Capacitance: 8pF
  • Input Resistance: 1MOhm
  • Bandwidth: 300Mhz
  • Compensation range: 9~14pF
  • Takes up to 300V
  • 1 meter long cable

Even older record, Operating Note Part No. 5955-6270 courtesy of HParchive.com shows:

I bought a bunch of snap-on ground lead alligator clips (MP2+MP3) and grabbers (MP7) for the probe

Figure 2. 100XXA probe with hook tip or grabber

The snap-on alligator ground clip actually has two parts: the alligator clip (MP2, 5061-1258) and the snap-on ground lead (MP3, 10006-61301) and they are screw-mated :

I happened to have bought a pack of multiple new ground leads and grabbers (MP7, 10017-69501) for this model series, more than what I’d need. They’ll fit miniature probes models 10017A, 10018A, 10040A, 10041A, 10042A.

These accessories will also fit 10021A, 10022A, 10026A, (10027A?), 10032A, 10033A as well.

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