{"id":2534,"date":"2021-05-06T22:23:01","date_gmt":"2021-05-07T06:23:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/?p=2534"},"modified":"2021-05-06T22:24:08","modified_gmt":"2021-05-07T06:24:08","slug":"hp-54502a-datasheet-typo-about-ac-coupling","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2021\/05\/06\/hp-54502a-datasheet-typo-about-ac-coupling\/","title":{"rendered":"HP 54502A Datasheet typo about AC coupling"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The cutoff frequency of 10Hz on the datasheet is a typo. Better scopes at the time claims 90Hz. 10Hz is just too good to be true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"896\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-1-1024x896.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-1-1024x896.png 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-1-300x262.png 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-1-768x672.png 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-1.png 1157w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Found the specs from the service manual:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"244\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-2-1024x244.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2536\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-2-1024x244.png 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-2-300x71.png 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-2-768x183.png 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/image-2.png 1471w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by the -3dB cutoff and ignore how wide the transition band can be (depends on the filter type and the order). Turns out this model has a very primitive filter that AC couple mode still messes square waves below 3kHz up despite the specs says the -3dB is at 90Hz. You better have a 30+ fold guard band for old scopes!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Remember square wave pulse train in time domain is basically a sinc pulse centered at every impulse of the impulse train in frequency domain superimposed. Unless you have a tiny duty cycle (which is not the case for uniform square waves, they are 50%), the left hand side of the sinc function at 1kHz fundamental still have sub-1kHz components that can be truncated by the AC coupling (high pass filter). <\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div><p id=\"pvc_stats_2534\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"2534\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-prefix=\"far\" data-icon=\"chart-bar\" role=\"img\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 512 512\" class=\"svg-inline--fa fa-chart-bar fa-w-16 fa-2x\"><path fill=\"currentColor\" d=\"M396.8 352h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V108.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v230.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm-192 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V140.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v198.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm96 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V204.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v134.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zM496 400H48V80c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16H16C7.16 64 0 71.16 0 80v336c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h464c8.84 0 16-7.16 16-16v-16c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16zm-387.2-48h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8v-70.4c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v70.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8z\" class=\"\"><\/path><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p><div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The cutoff frequency of 10Hz on the datasheet is a typo. Better scopes at the time claims 90Hz. 10Hz is just too good to be true. Found the specs from the service manual: Don&#8217;t be fooled by the -3dB cutoff &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2021\/05\/06\/hp-54502a-datasheet-typo-about-ac-coupling\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_2534\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"2534\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-prefix=\"far\" data-icon=\"chart-bar\" role=\"img\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 512 512\" class=\"svg-inline--fa fa-chart-bar fa-w-16 fa-2x\"><path fill=\"currentColor\" d=\"M396.8 352h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V108.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v230.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm-192 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V140.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v198.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm96 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V204.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v134.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zM496 400H48V80c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16H16C7.16 64 0 71.16 0 80v336c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h464c8.84 0 16-7.16 16-16v-16c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16zm-387.2-48h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8v-70.4c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v70.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8z\" class=\"\"><\/path><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,11,40,35],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2534","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-electronics","category-measurement-equipment","category-metrology","category-signal-processing"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2534","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2534"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2534\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2539,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2534\/revisions\/2539"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2534"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2534"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2534"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}