{"id":1800,"date":"2019-05-27T00:35:46","date_gmt":"2019-05-27T08:35:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/?p=1800"},"modified":"2019-05-27T00:47:30","modified_gmt":"2019-05-27T08:47:30","slug":"i-see-dead-cpu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2019\/05\/27\/i-see-dead-cpu\/","title":{"rendered":"I see dead processor, the first time in my life"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ever since I got my hands into assembling and troubleshooting PCs when I was a kid, both through my own experience and general consensus in the computer hobbyist community, CPU is almost the last thing to suspect at fault for a non-functioning computer, much less likely if:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>There are no signs physical damages (mechanical or heat stress)<\/li>\n<li>There were no shorts (burning electronic smells)<\/li>\n<li>There weren&#8217;t any extreme overclocking (at least Vcore was pumped)<\/li>\n<li>The computer used to boot, but has some random hangs<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>After 20+ years (and troubleshooted a few hundreds if not a couple of thousand PCs), today I encountered (actually zeroed-in that it&#8217;s the culprit) the first bad processor in my life. It was inside a M815G motherboard from a 54854A oscilloscope that I bought that wouldn&#8217;t boot into windows without random &#8216;file corrupted&#8217; errors. Then after a few tries, the board wouldn&#8217;t even boot, not even any code on the POST card.<\/p>\n<p>At first I suspected it&#8217;s an aging motherboard, since I checked the RAM and passes Memtest86+ on another board. It&#8217;d be either the motherboard or CPU, which I never considered it might be the CPU given how unlikely it is both by other people and myself.<\/p>\n<p>I couldn&#8217;t be bothered to dig at the moment so I simply replaced the entire motherboard (with CPU and RAM installed) with another unit and confirmed that the 54854A I bought didn&#8217;t have any deeper problems. Then I put this &#8216;bad M815G motherboard&#8217; on my back burner.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Today I was trying to revive a VP22 motherboard (which boots only if I apply pressure on certain areas of the PCB) that didn&#8217;t have the\u00a0Fan+Heatsink+CPU+RAM. I happen to have a spare Pentium 3 and some PC-133 (SDRAM) lying around, but not the heatsink+fan, so I borrowed it from the M815G in the repair-if-I-feel-like-it pile.<\/p>\n<p>The VP22 booted with pressure on the PCB (beeped, checked POST card) but I couldn&#8217;t see any display, so I thought of swapping-in the known-&#8216;good&#8217; CPU from the &#8216;faulty&#8217; M815G to see if I had the wrong revision that the VP22 didn&#8217;t support. The VP22 used to get stuck in the boot process, but at least the POST card has a reading, this time after swapping in the CPU from the M815G, it has no POST code at all. No pulse.<\/p>\n<p>I got suspicious and took the the CPU from the VP22 and put it in the &#8216;faulty&#8217; M815G. Guess what? The M815G in question boots and runs fine!!! WTF! For all that time I thought my M815G has a difficult fault just because I had a marginally failing an then dead CPU, which I didn&#8217;t even consider the possibility given how unlikely the CPU is at fault.<\/p>\n<p>And no, it&#8217;s not the thermal compound drying up, it&#8217;s freshly applied every time I move it to a different motherboard. The CPU was only used in M815G\/VP22 which does not even have any means of overclocking. No burns or smells or physical damage, and the computer used to boot. 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