{"id":1463,"date":"2019-03-04T22:44:46","date_gmt":"2019-03-05T06:44:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/?p=1463"},"modified":"2022-05-14T23:09:03","modified_gmt":"2022-05-15T07:09:03","slug":"option-005-vertical-output-port-of-54600-series-oscilloscopes-54616b-54616c-etc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2019\/03\/04\/option-005-vertical-output-port-of-54600-series-oscilloscopes-54616b-54616c-etc\/","title":{"rendered":"Option 005 &#8220;Vertical Output&#8221; port of 54600 series oscilloscopes (54616B, 54616C, etc)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over the last year, I got a couple of requests for 54616B that specifically ask for a &#8220;vertical output&#8221; port at the back. I have never seen an oscilloscope that came with such a port, including a few hundred of first generation first generation 54600s I acquired from many different sources.<\/p>\n<p>I got curious and looked it up. Turns out it&#8217;s a secondary feature of a relatively obscure option (only mentioned in the manuals, but I have never seen one) called Option 005, which lets you analyze (like count lines) and trigger over common TV signals, like PAL\/NTSC\/SECAM, which is way obsolete today. It also seems that none of the customers asking specifically for the &#8220;vertical output&#8221; port at the back know that it is a super rare option that is normally not included, so they must be using it for something else other than analog TV signal analysis.<\/p>\n<p>A closer look at the user guide shows that &#8220;vertical output&#8221; port duplicates the signal source (e.g. channel 1) that the scope is triggering on, limited to what is seen by the oscilloscope, to the said &#8220;vertical output&#8221; port, a secondary feature to let you chain your signal to instruments like spectrum analyzers for further analysis.<\/p>\n<p>I tried the feature myself by chaining the output to another oscilloscope. Even if the waveform is off-screen for the current vertical volts\/div, the\u00a0<em>vertical output<\/em> port waveform did not clip. I also played around with input impedance settings 1M\u03a9 and 50\u03a9 for a 50Mhz square wave. Based on what gets the square wave badly distorted, I can confirm that the <em>vertical output<\/em> signal is the analog signal after attenuator (the amplitude changes only with Volts\/div that causes relay clicks) but before ADC, assuming a 50\u03a9 load.<\/p>\n<p>Wait! An oscilloscope that duplicates the input analog signals after being processed by the front end (post-attenuator, pre-ADC) to an external output port?! I don&#8217;t have to mess with the original signal path by splitting the signal (passively) or make an amplifier to duplicate the signal? Wow! How come it&#8217;s not standard (or at least a purchasable option) in modern oscilloscopes? I&#8217;d like to see what&#8217;s going on with the analog waveform before the scope processes it! Not only it&#8217;s very educational, it allows other instruments to get an accurate insight of what the oscilloscope is seeing. Neat!<\/p>\n<p>Installing the Option 005 is not difficult if you happen to have an unobtainium Option 005 case with labels, and the entire kit with all the necessary interconnect. However, it&#8217;s like an unicorn and I&#8217;ve never seen one.\u00a0Drilling professional looking holes for it is a nightmare as we don&#8217;t have the dimensions.\u00a0The hardware is also insanely hard to get as it was made for a specialized crowd for the time and practically nobody cared about analog TV signals nowadays. Even if I can get that, they are most often missing the interconnects. The ribbon cable is missing for nearly all of them, and if you get a standard ribbon cable, you&#8217;ll realize the plastic retainer gets into the way of a screw on the main acquisition board so the Option 005 card won&#8217;t slide in unless you trim some of the plastic off. PITA!<\/p>\n<p>Nowadays I am already spoiled by high end gears like MSO6054A and 13Ghz Infiniiums (like DSO81304A), but none of them has a convenient analog, post-attenuator output like a first generation 54600 with an Option 005. Given the hardware is scarce, I&#8217;ll save it for the top of the line first generation 54600 series, namely 54616B and 54616C.<\/p>\n<p>For those who have this special need (need to tap into the pre-ADC signals up to 500Mhz), I can custom build these Option 005 units for you, depending on parts availability. 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