{"id":1089,"date":"2018-11-03T01:24:06","date_gmt":"2018-11-03T09:24:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/?p=1089"},"modified":"2024-04-13T23:11:13","modified_gmt":"2024-04-14T07:11:13","slug":"tds-color-crt-driver-repair-700-series","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2018\/11\/03\/tds-color-crt-driver-repair-700-series\/","title":{"rendered":"TDS Color CRT Driver Repair (700 series): all by sniffing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>When old equipment&#8217;s fail, they do fail in waves, depending on the failure modes induced by the original design. Last week when I turned on a TDS 784A in my inventory check, something smelled bad and the display was garbled (it has displays, but straight lines turned into wiggles).<\/p>\n<p>I already replaced the caps for the processor board, keyboard and RS-232\/Parallel Port module preventatively and the unit used to work fine. So it boils down to either the power module or the CRT driver.<\/p>\n<p>Despite it&#8217;s unlikely to be the power module (didn&#8217;t feel any fan speed changes, display brightness changes, or hiccups in power), I used my nose to make sure there&#8217;s no burnt electrolyte smell from the power module. Indeed there wasn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>Sniffing can be a very valuable tool to repairs. The smell came from only one narrow area of the board so I limited it to 3 capacitors next to each other:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1090\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-840x560.jpg 840w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-120x80.jpg 120w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-360x240.jpg 360w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0976-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 840px) 100vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I took them out and cleaned the PCB and noticed that the wipes has a bit of green and black stuff on it. That&#8217;s how I can tell a capacitor just peed all over itself. The culprit is C321 and C323.<\/p>\n<p>(EDIT 2023\/05\/18: I just noticed my TDS684B might have leaked C328, the biggest 100uF 50V cap right in the trio instead. I confirmed this by seeing the transistor TIP31C at Q330 turned green like it got mosses and the 3 pins fizzed out while the 3 resistors next to C321 stayed shiny. Strangely, despite physically C328 looked the most impacted, I only smell the familiar burning electrolyte scent when I desoldered C321 and C323 but not C328, so I replaced all 3 instead. The ESR for C328 is still low so despite visually it looks like C328 is the culprit, the leak could have just have electrolytically migrated to Q330 and dried up. Dried up electrolyte is hard to catch. That&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t wash the board last time and only cleaned the surrounding areas with rubbing alcohol. Not again. &#8216;Power-washed&#8217; it with dish soap using waterpik, rinse, load it with 99% alcohol and blow dry with heat gun set on low. The TDS684B used to work in my possession, so the leak must be recent and the signs not so obvious. My previous experience definitely helps because it&#8217;d be impossible to troubleshoot with visual inspection as the leaked caps didn&#8217;t bulge).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1091\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-840x560.jpg 840w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-120x80.jpg 120w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-360x240.jpg 360w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0977-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 840px) 100vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Note that the component layout for this color CRT driver,\u00a0678-1402-07 (the board has silkscreen saying 671-2373-389-1344-01) does not match the component locator I have with my TDS 544A schematics. Nonetheless, it&#8217;s nearby if you look around.<\/p>\n<p>Just to confirm the capacitors I took out are the culprit, I used an LCZ meter as an overkill ESR tester to test them:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1093\" style=\"width: 850px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1093\" class=\"wp-image-1093 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-840x560.jpg 840w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-120x80.jpg 120w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-360x240.jpg 360w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0979-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 840px) 100vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1093\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">2.4\u03a9 ESR for the 10uF (C321)<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_1092\" style=\"width: 850px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1092\" class=\"wp-image-1092 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-1024x683.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-840x560.jpg 840w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-120x80.jpg 120w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-360x240.jpg 360w, https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/DSC_0978-600x400.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 840px) 100vw, 840px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1092\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1.5\u03a9 ESR for the 22uF (C323)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>ESR for these two caps should be at the order or milli-Ohms if they were any good. I took the one next to the two offending capacitors out to test it, and the ESR looked OK so I put it back. The true reason is that I don&#8217;t have that capacitor value on hand at the time of writing, but that also helps to narrow down the true cause.<\/p>\n<p>I replaced these two capacitor and the display worked correctly (not garbled). The brightness is a little bit high which can be adjusted down.<\/p>\n<p>EDIT 2023\/05\/18: C5 (100uF 50V) at the corner of the board leaked. There&#8217;s a clear yellow film around it and it corroded the pins of the Q10 next to it.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>The next problem is that the shutter color changes out of sync back and forth at a slow then fast rate till it gets stable after warming up for a while. I did a lot of troubleshooting, changed a bunch of capacitors and transistors and shutter board, but no avail. In the process, I smelled electrolyte evaporating with the flux and I decided to give the board a full wash with dishwasher detergent and waterpik (then dry the big part with a leaf blower, spray with 99% rubbing alcohol to the water out and left it dry). Bingo!<\/p>\n<p>Lessons learned: do not leave the electrolyte leaks on the board even if it&#8217;s an old fashioned single-sided through-hole with relatively simple thick traces. I thought it&#8217;s\u00a0not going to matter until I see visible corrosion, but I was wrong. Could it be the electrolytes left on the board forming weakly conductive paths that disappears when the unit warms up (the electrolyte dries up)?<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>In the process of replacing all the electrolytic capacitors on the board, I smelled fumes mixed with electrolytes in some areas (other than the two above). However, I didn&#8217;t record it because I measured the ESR for each capacitor that I pulled and compared to the ones I&#8217;m about to put in.<\/p>\n<p>In addition to the two capacitors mentioned early in this post, here are few capacitors that the ESR of a new part is significantly lower, which might be first places to consider replacing before recapping the entire board. They are all measured at 1V, 1kHz:<\/p>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%;\" border=\"1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%; text-align: center;\">Part<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%; text-align: center;\">Capacitance<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%; text-align: center;\">Voltage Rating<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%; text-align: center;\">Pre ESR<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%; text-align: center;\">Post ESR<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">C334<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">10uF<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">25V<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">2.8\u03a9<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">1.7\u03a9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">C50<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">2.2uF<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">250V<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">11.4\u03a9<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">7\u03a9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">C12<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">22uF<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">100V<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">1.4\u03a9<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">0.6\u03a9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">C181<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">470uF<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">35V<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">160m\u03a9<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">44m\u03a9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">C182<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">1uF<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">50V<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">20\u03a9<\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 20%;\">13\u03a9<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Nonetheless, the only useful technique that contributed to this board being repaired is finding out where the smell comes from. The rest (reading at schematics, measuring voltages, checking waveforms on an oscilloscope, swapping out parts) are all red herrings.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>In the process of troubleshooting with schematics, I also noticed that the schematic for the old TDS 544A color CRT driver is actually pretty much the same (including component numbering) as this newer board 678-1402-07 while I was troubleshooting with it.<\/p>\n<p>Looks like the component layout was slightly shifted to make room a different batch of flyback transformers (there&#8217;s a riser board for the flyback transformer in 678-1402-07 used in 754A\/784A). Although the component locator sheet isn&#8217;t exact, the components are within 1 inch of what&#8217;s found in TDS 544A CRT driver&#8217;s component locator.\u00a0<span style=\"font-size: 1.0625rem;\">No biggie if you don&#8217;t have the schematic for the newer color CRT drivers. Just look around and pay attention to the silkscreen. 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Last week when I turned on a TDS 784A in my inventory check, something smelled bad and the display was garbled &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/2018\/11\/03\/tds-color-crt-driver-repair-700-series\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_1089\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"1089\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg aria-hidden=\"true\" focusable=\"false\" data-prefix=\"far\" data-icon=\"chart-bar\" role=\"img\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 512 512\" class=\"svg-inline--fa fa-chart-bar fa-w-16 fa-2x\"><path fill=\"currentColor\" d=\"M396.8 352h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V108.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v230.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm-192 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V140.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v198.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zm96 0h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8V204.8c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v134.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8zM496 400H48V80c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16H16C7.16 64 0 71.16 0 80v336c0 17.67 14.33 32 32 32h464c8.84 0 16-7.16 16-16v-16c0-8.84-7.16-16-16-16zm-387.2-48h22.4c6.4 0 12.8-6.4 12.8-12.8v-70.4c0-6.4-6.4-12.8-12.8-12.8h-22.4c-6.4 0-12.8 6.4-12.8 12.8v70.4c0 6.4 6.4 12.8 12.8 12.8z\" class=\"\"><\/path><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,11,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1089","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-electronics","category-measurement-equipment","category-note-to-self"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1089","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1089"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1089\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5860,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1089\/revisions\/5860"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1089"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1089"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wonghoi.humgar.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1089"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}